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speaker john boehner has to be re-elected. if he does sort of curve to the left and finds his way down the middle, he can almost guarantee he's re-elected; right? >> well, he has to earn the trust of republicans, particularly conservative republicans. if he brings it through and pushes it through, that ruins the republican brand forever. we barely convinced the american people we're against tax increases, but if they pass a tax increases, we're on the road to the minority. that worries members of the conference irrespective of the cliff created, again, by a bad deeing in august 20 # 11 that the american people said don't raise the ceiling, washington raised it, cut spending in the future. that sounds awfully familiar from the white house and out of the speaker and the majority leaders as well. tracy: do you have anied what's -- whatever boehner presented to the white house tonight, do you have any idea what's in the compromise? >> none whatsoever, no details gimp to us, again, undeclared cuts, but what i can be certain about,
speaker john boehner has to be re-elected. if he does sort of curve to the left and finds his way down the middle, he can almost guarantee he's re-elected; right? >> well, he has to earn the trust of republicans, particularly conservative republicans. if he brings it through and pushes it through, that ruins the republican brand forever. we barely convinced the american people we're against tax increases, but if they pass a tax increases, we're on the road to the minority. that worries...
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the boehner plan goes for $2 trillionn deficit reduction, boehner wants, oh, yeah, he's going to kkck tail, allght? we're going to get2.2 bilion in t spending of this country. let me repase that. that'll be a $2.2 trillion reduction in the totallanned spending. the growth of our spending will alter, it'lle just about that line right there. we're potentially oking at the republican plan, well, in 2020, i guess the best way to show you isust how tough it is. we'll only have a deficit and a debt, a national debt under the boehner plan -- remember, this is the o plan, is is the b plan -- $25.2 trillion by 2022. mr. obama wants $350 billn in entitlement cuts over the next ten years, mr. boehner wants $800 billion in entitlement cuts, and we're going to see a big, dramatic negotiation. and whatou and i is -- and all of our fellow americans are looking at is the prospect of a recession next year if the president and mr. boehner can't come to an agreement, as much as a 10% unemployment rate because both this president and the republican party, as you can see here, are playing at the margin. a
the boehner plan goes for $2 trillionn deficit reduction, boehner wants, oh, yeah, he's going to kkck tail, allght? we're going to get2.2 bilion in t spending of this country. let me repase that. that'll be a $2.2 trillion reduction in the totallanned spending. the growth of our spending will alter, it'lle just about that line right there. we're potentially oking at the republican plan, well, in 2020, i guess the best way to show you isust how tough it is. we'll only have a deficit and a debt,...
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president obama and speaker boehner met privately yesterday. nbc news first read team makes this point. if the plan is to get something passed by friday, december 21, right before the christmas holiday, then the legislation has to be written by december 18th and that means that obama and boehner must reach a deal by december 14th, 15th if there is going to be a deal. so the time for posturing and pr is over. a new political poll shows that likely voters support the president's tax increase on the upper brackets. 60% favor raising taxes on households that earn more than $250,000. 64% favor raising tacks on large corporations. 33 oppose. the poll asked likely voters, do you believe that if we raise taxes on households that earn over $250,000 per year, it will have a negative impact on the economy. 38% said yes. 58% got it right and said no. today president obama outlined the deficit reduction legislation he would sign into law. >> what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, we make some stuff spending cut
president obama and speaker boehner met privately yesterday. nbc news first read team makes this point. if the plan is to get something passed by friday, december 21, right before the christmas holiday, then the legislation has to be written by december 18th and that means that obama and boehner must reach a deal by december 14th, 15th if there is going to be a deal. so the time for posturing and pr is over. a new political poll shows that likely voters support the president's tax increase on...
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>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly where that revenue comes from, we don't know if it
>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting...
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president obama and john boehner are on a collision course. tonight i'll tell you who is going to be blink first. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the leverage is going the shift to our side where hopefully we'll do the same thing we did last time. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40
president obama and john boehner are on a collision course. tonight i'll tell you who is going to be blink first. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the leverage is going the shift to our side where hopefully we'll do the same thing we did last time. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back...
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>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low
>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president...
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house speaker john boehner saying he wants the president to get serious. he wants a counter offer to the republican offer. there's been no noticeable movement on this in the last couple weeks, and for republicans, and the chairman, he says, look, republicans have bent on taxes. >> in some form or fashion, it's written into current law, unless he changes his mind and as an epiphany he'll have tax revenues, not destaining my best efforts in getting it. >> the president, unlike any other party in the negotiations, put forward detailed spending cuts as well as detailed revenue proposals. >> that's where they are stuck. republicans say want spending cuts in exchange for $800 billion in increased revenue, and the democrats in the white house say we need to know from you, republicans, what spending cuts are on the table, but first thing to do is raise revenue and rates on those earning more than $250,000 a year, and, guys, we are getting close to the point now where congress has to write a bill or agreement they reach, getting down to the wire here. not like you
house speaker john boehner saying he wants the president to get serious. he wants a counter offer to the republican offer. there's been no noticeable movement on this in the last couple weeks, and for republicans, and the chairman, he says, look, republicans have bent on taxes. >> in some form or fashion, it's written into current law, unless he changes his mind and as an epiphany he'll have tax revenues, not destaining my best efforts in getting it. >> the president, unlike any...
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it's president and boehner. so the rest of ru russian us arg on sending messages by coming to your show. >> neil: the message i got is that you are not near a deal. is that accurate? >> guest: that is accurate, but the fact that president obama, speaker boehner met at the white house sunday, they put out the same statement, they haven't said anything for two days. >> neil: speaker boehner did. he was griping about the president not giving specific on spending. nancy pelosi was saying, you know, boehner is wrong. >> you have to reach to find encouraging news right now. everybody thinks we are going to get together and not let the country go over the fiscal cliff, which, of course, in all common sense and sanity that's what we would do. we have to act. we're on automatic here. you know that. right now i can feel the contrary happening. in both caucuses and the senate, people are beginning to to the inside interest groups so the democrats say don't touch entitlement programs and republicans say i won't support -- >
it's president and boehner. so the rest of ru russian us arg on sending messages by coming to your show. >> neil: the message i got is that you are not near a deal. is that accurate? >> guest: that is accurate, but the fact that president obama, speaker boehner met at the white house sunday, they put out the same statement, they haven't said anything for two days. >> neil: speaker boehner did. he was griping about the president not giving specific on spending. nancy pelosi was...
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. >> the presi met with speaker john boehner yesterd. not discussing any details of the conversations, just saying as you said athe top, lines of communications are open. also talking to senate majory leader harry rd today as well. everybody is talking but we don't have a deal yet. tracy:s anybody talking abou spending or entitlements, peter? >> there making it pretty clear. one statement we got from speakejohnoehner's office today was that the republicans contininue to wait for the president to make specific propals for cutting snding.3 that is at they want. acy: we don't sound any closer to me, but again i am skeptical. down in d.c. grea thanks. traay: the president is going to @ompromise as peter just said. what are republicans willing to compromise on. we have got to ask mike leef utah. i am sorry i am so skeptic. 58% of america don't think w will reach a deal. where do you feel about this right now? >> it is difficult to predict at this point. i don't think anyby wan wants to go off a cliff except the president. he might n only allo
. >> the presi met with speaker john boehner yesterd. not discussing any details of the conversations, just saying as you said athe top, lines of communications are open. also talking to senate majory leader harry rd today as well. everybody is talking but we don't have a deal yet. tracy:s anybody talking abou spending or entitlements, peter? >> there making it pretty clear. one statement we got from speakejohnoehner's office today was that the republicans contininue to wait for the...
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we heard from house speaker john boehner. the overall sentiment after he spoke is a few negative pieces of language in his speech that ultimately in the end he was trying to say they're trying to work it out. smooth it over, ultimately. they know a couple of trends we are seeing, technology, materiall, two areas coming under pressure recently starting to turn. europe seeing improvement helping equities along as well. lori: not sure if you mentioned the fed. we were talking about it at the top. talking about their expectations of ben bernanke. nicole: would even throw out the idea of stimulus? that helped things along pushing us along throughout this entire last six months. lori: absolutely. thank you so much, nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. protests turn violent in lansing, michigan, as union protesters ripped down a tent belonging to right-to-work supporters. becoming the 24th right-to-work states today allowing workers to get the right to join unions. jeff flock is in lansing michigan covering
we heard from house speaker john boehner. the overall sentiment after he spoke is a few negative pieces of language in his speech that ultimately in the end he was trying to say they're trying to work it out. smooth it over, ultimately. they know a couple of trends we are seeing, technology, materiall, two areas coming under pressure recently starting to turn. europe seeing improvement helping equities along as well. lori: not sure if you mentioned the fed. we were talking about it at the top....
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we are expected to see john boehner speak. am i wrong in assuming we did not think we will get any comments from either side? >> you are right. the issue with that is typically when you are making progress you won't hear from the principals or get any leaks and we have seen that the last couple days but we heard from john boehner friday and the president yesterday so people have been talking and there are folks around town seeing that as a negative indication and sources have told us it has been slow going in these negotiations. cheryl: rich edson. dennis: the dow losing 112, they're starting to catch wind that john boehner will say something depressing instead of hopeful. clearly betting on good news. cheryl: rich edson obviously standing by, thank you, we will take those live comments from john boehner when you guys appear on the house floor. dennis: i will go with this. even if we do avoid the fiscal cliff our next guest says a european blow up and apple topping out could be bigger holders for the market in 2013. there is g
we are expected to see john boehner speak. am i wrong in assuming we did not think we will get any comments from either side? >> you are right. the issue with that is typically when you are making progress you won't hear from the principals or get any leaks and we have seen that the last couple days but we heard from john boehner friday and the president yesterday so people have been talking and there are folks around town seeing that as a negative indication and sources have told us it...
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22 days left until we go over the so-called fiscal live, and even after president obama and speaker boehner met for the first time in over a month we still appear to be no closer to a deal. but over the weekend, for the first time both sides did seem to be softening the edges of their ideological swords. today in detroit the president continued his campaign-style push for congress to pass tax breaks for those below $250,000 and allow tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%. so there is a growing body. actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for to us to take. >> in my view we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of the discussion right now. >> i think if it got to the floor it would carry. >> eliot: as the republicans begin to come around on the tax rates democrats have become open to limited entitlement reform. th
22 days left until we go over the so-called fiscal live, and even after president obama and speaker boehner met for the first time in over a month we still appear to be no closer to a deal. but over the weekend, for the first time both sides did seem to be softening the edges of their ideological swords. today in detroit the president continued his campaign-style push for congress to pass tax breaks for those below $250,000 and allow tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. >> a lot of...
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o'reilly is not boehner, pelosi, or obama. he's tv intertainer who spent the weeks after the election crying about the end of white establishment america. the end of the days when an upstanding white man felt entitled to summon whomever he wanted whenever he wanted to the big house to dance. i don't dance, unquote. now, that is pure racism. nothing else. whitlock implying that i'm some kind of slave overlord, and he gets away with that kind of garbage. in fact, he gets paid to spout. way beyond disgraceful. that's poison but not unusual. hate speech now happening all the time. there comes a point when all good people must say enough. that point has now been reached in america. the jason whitlocks of the world deserve pity, but they also deserve to be exposed. they're using base emotion to try to injure people. they are liars, and they are abusing freedom of speech. this stuff has gotta stop. >>> the top story tonight. join us from washington. juan, i think this kind of garbage is completely out of hand. am i overreacting? >> n
o'reilly is not boehner, pelosi, or obama. he's tv intertainer who spent the weeks after the election crying about the end of white establishment america. the end of the days when an upstanding white man felt entitled to summon whomever he wanted whenever he wanted to the big house to dance. i don't dance, unquote. now, that is pure racism. nothing else. whitlock implying that i'm some kind of slave overlord, and he gets away with that kind of garbage. in fact, he gets paid to spout. way beyond...
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neil: speaker boehner d the esident not as good as you. good to see you. rememb him? now a new union phelan is him. scott walker never got the union carers to show up at his house but like cannot tonight they will be sging at his house. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going on now throughecember 31st. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your local...
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boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the beginning because they didn't want to target on their back. i think this is almost a game of chicken right now. the problem is it's a game of chicken with very, very high stakes. and you've got the white house out there, you know, publicly putting pressure on republicans by sending obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't have to. i'm wondering, ma
boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the...
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we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move that money finally into cheaper, more tax efficient and better profits etf has to offer. >> trader talk column, trader talk cnbc.com in a few moments. that's what's hot, etfs. back to you. >> we look forward to that very much. thanks, guys. gold market selling off a little bit. at the close, sharon epperson tracking the action at the nymex. moving into stocks and out of the metals. >> they are. we're seeing a little bit of weakness in the gold futures price. gold etfs held up steadily over the last several weebs as well as record levels, in fact. in term of the flat pr
we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move...
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look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other side? do they want to see the rate change for the rich? above 250, 300, 400? do they want to say before you take a piece out of me, you've got to take a piece out of them. >> i think the 250 above is really important 679 i'll fell you why that is. it's because if you look at who got hurt the most in the downturn, it was the 98%, right? the very rich, the wealthiest in this country did pretty well. they did well even as the rest of the country has fallen often the cliff. so the idea that you're going to make it a little more progressive, even if later on you d
look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other...
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how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a fundamental divide here. the president says rates have to go up. he doesn't want to trade the debt ceiling for anything. he thinks that should be separate. and boehner put out a proposal saying we'll raise invest knews but we're going to lower rates. won't specify, as you noted earlier. there seems to be in the staff level at least not much progress, any progress, being made. i have to believe the fundamental dynamic is still the same, that boehner is going to have a hard time convincing more than half of his caucus, even half of his caucus, to support something that really gives the president a lot in terms of revenue cuts and doesn't
how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a...
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the big prize is still finding some way to get conservative republicans to vote with john boehner but you're right. this is the reason that all the details are in secret is because negotiators are kind of suggesting and hinting at ways they may bend and flex but the reason they never want any details to get public is that if one side is going to bend, they're going to expect the other side to bend, too, and only until everybody get their bending sort of alined can they present them to their sides because the minute democrats hear entitlements will be touched they'll want to know what they're getting in return. same with republicans. so you're right the same dynamic is in play. republicans say if we're going to raise tax rates what are we going to get in return. democrats say raising tax rates isn't much of a prize. we won the election. if you're asking us to do these big cuts -- >> what would happen if the president said to john boehner, this is where i will cut education and entitlements and medicare, what would the republicans do then? >> well, he's saying that in a way in these neg
the big prize is still finding some way to get conservative republicans to vote with john boehner but you're right. this is the reason that all the details are in secret is because negotiators are kind of suggesting and hinting at ways they may bend and flex but the reason they never want any details to get public is that if one side is going to bend, they're going to expect the other side to bend, too, and only until everybody get their bending sort of alined can they present them to their...
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boehner has toned it down a few notches. you really just have lindsey graham over there shouting a little bit. >> even that is just -- speaking of lindsey graham, let's play it. even he's being careful in what he says. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% and run the government for 11 days. just got re-elected. how about doing something big that is not liberal. how about doing something that is bipartisan. every idea he has is a liberal idea that drowns us in debt. how about manning up here, mr. president. >> well, i keep reminding republicans on this is that the white house politically, they can't be the ones proposing major retitlement reforms because the base of the party will eat them alive. >> that's why he is recognizing give the 2% possibly on the tax, but that has to come from the republican party, it can't come from within the white house, yet alone a democrat that just overwhelmingly won. >> sure you watch capitol hill as well as anybody here sitting at this tab
boehner has toned it down a few notches. you really just have lindsey graham over there shouting a little bit. >> even that is just -- speaking of lindsey graham, let's play it. even he's being careful in what he says. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% and run the government for 11 days. just got re-elected. how about doing something big that is not liberal. how about doing something that is bipartisan. every idea he has is a...
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john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nubs. what you should think about is $16 trillion. that's how much debt the country has. according to bill groesdz, the man who runs the biggest fund, ie, the man who decides how much we can spend and borrow, we have to cut spending or raise taxes. that's $1.6 trillion a year. that's $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes. and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles of simpson-bowles, and he agrees that he's right. >> absolutely. he's 1pen hearst right. i don't know if 16 is the number, but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the number long term. >> those are big numbers. i want to bring in john avlon right now. this is what i find so incredible. we get so focused on is there going to be a deal, and the politics of a deal and going off the cliff and if the cliff is a slope that we're missing the bigger
john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nubs. what you should think about is $16 trillion. that's how much debt the country has. according to bill groesdz, the man who runs the biggest fund, ie, the man who decides how much we can spend and borrow, we have to cut spending or raise taxes. that's $1.6 trillion a year. that's $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes. and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has...
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they are asking the public to contact john boehner. >> we are focusing our rally on john boehner and asking him to pay attention to what is good for the country instead of protecting himself. >> the group says they will target any lawmaker who tries to cut a deal over the fiscal cliff. >>> thousands will pause saturday to remember those who lost their lives serving our country. [ bagpipes playing ] >> the kickoff was held today at the state capttle. -- capital. >> makes you quietly think that, one, you are glad to be an american, you have to say thank you to these individuals who gave their service to the country. >> 400,000 wreaths are expected to be placed this weekend. >>> vandals hit a radio station for a third time and knock it off the air. how they got around the alarm system. >> how low temperatures will drop and when rain returns to the bay area. a teen says he was given days to live, the gift that saved his life. ays have my favorite coffee? well, inside the brewer, there's a giant staircase. and the room is filled with all these different kinds of coffee. actually, i just p
they are asking the public to contact john boehner. >> we are focusing our rally on john boehner and asking him to pay attention to what is good for the country instead of protecting himself. >> the group says they will target any lawmaker who tries to cut a deal over the fiscal cliff. >>> thousands will pause saturday to remember those who lost their lives serving our country. [ bagpipes playing ] >> the kickoff was held today at the state capttle. -- capital....
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boehner wants more specifics of obama. who's going to show their hand first in this game of chicken? >> well, i certainly hope the president doesn't because he's got all the cards. he has aces up the sleeve so, you know, the bush tax cuts simply expire at the end of the year. i know there's a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getting a serious deal done before the holidays. if you talk about all of the intricate things that wonks on both sides maybe could agree, i'm not sure i would agree to any of them, they're so complicated. senator durbin made this point. maybe you force changes on medicare or social security, i hope not but if you do, you can't do that in ten days or five business days or whatever it is. these things take a lot of time and so for the president to -- for democrats to agree to sort of kick the can, extend the tax cuts for another period of time is c
boehner wants more specifics of obama. who's going to show their hand first in this game of chicken? >> well, i certainly hope the president doesn't because he's got all the cards. he has aces up the sleeve so, you know, the bush tax cuts simply expire at the end of the year. i know there's a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getting...
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house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles in simpson-bowles and even he agreed that bill gross is right. >> absolutely. he's 100% right. i don't know if 16's number but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the problem long term. >> those are big numbers. bilg gross will be with us in a moment. i want to bring in john avalon right now. this is what i find incredible is we are getting so focused on the deal a
house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year...
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house speaker john boehner said he's hopeful it will happen before the deadline, but speaker boehner making the case accepting the white house's plans would make the u.s. problems worse. listen to this. we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse, and it's hurting our economy. >> so what's it going to take for both sides to come together and strike a deal? let's ask our next guest, congressman chris van hollen of maryland, the top congressman on the budget committee. welcome back. >> always good to be with you. i understand maria was just down on capitol hill. >> sorry i missed you. >> come on back. >> she will be back. we will all will, because we're all taking the temperature right now. how hopeful are you that you get a deal in a timely manner on this miss call cliff right now? >> well, i think there's a better than 50% chance that by the end of this month, so by december 31st, there will be an agreement, but obviously there are lots of hurdles to go before we get there. the
house speaker john boehner said he's hopeful it will happen before the deadline, but speaker boehner making the case accepting the white house's plans would make the u.s. problems worse. listen to this. we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse, and it's hurting our economy. >> so what's it going to take for both sides to come together and strike a deal? let's ask our next guest,...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with...
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apart from my bad grammar, how close do you think president obama and speaker boehner are to a deal? and from your perspective, is a bad deal better than no deal? >> a bad deal is a bad deal and we shouldn't accept it. republicans have the problem that all of the polls show the vast majority of american people, and people who have done well in america should do well by america and start paying america back. this tax break, even george bush didn't want it to be permanent. somehow, republicans have gotten hung up on this one thing, turning tax law into theology. they can't let it go. it has united the democratic party against them, and now mostly american people are on the debate. we can't talk about spending until we get out of the corner. >> how much of the republican opposition is based on principle, to the raising of taxes on the weltiest is based on principle and how much is based on a fear that they may face a challenge from more conservatives in the party? >> i think it's impossible to know the second one. there are a number of people in potentially vulnerable situations where t
apart from my bad grammar, how close do you think president obama and speaker boehner are to a deal? and from your perspective, is a bad deal better than no deal? >> a bad deal is a bad deal and we shouldn't accept it. republicans have the problem that all of the polls show the vast majority of american people, and people who have done well in america should do well by america and start paying america back. this tax break, even george bush didn't want it to be permanent. somehow,...
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what do you think ought to come out of an agreement between the president and john boehner? >> i make a couple comments. the first one is we've got to get this done now. not -- you know, there are people that will write or go on news shows and say we can let it lapse two weeks or something like that. that is specifically not true. we need this to get resolved now. not because jim mcinernie will say it. but because the people who work for us, their lives are in flux. and this is encredibly critical we get it done now. we need revenue. everybody knows we need rev. >> rose: so the president is right in asking for more revenue and not extending the bush tax cuts for $250,000? >> bowles simpson, there's not been one commission that says we can do this on spending cuts. i think speaker boehner is the only guy that can lead us in that. >> rose: he's got to take the republican house of representatives -- >> he's got to take the deal and i trust he can do it. >> rose: you're urging him to do it? to take the deal and allow increase in the rates -- >> we're trying to get them to do a m
what do you think ought to come out of an agreement between the president and john boehner? >> i make a couple comments. the first one is we've got to get this done now. not -- you know, there are people that will write or go on news shows and say we can let it lapse two weeks or something like that. that is specifically not true. we need this to get resolved now. not because jim mcinernie will say it. but because the people who work for us, their lives are in flux. and this is encredibly...
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boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no war. >> well, that's -- that's the rate question. the income to government. spending side of the equation. if we simply return back to the spending rates as a percentage of our economy of the clinton era, this thing would be fixed like that. >> that's what we keep hearing. anyway, representative, good to have you on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> can't wait to hear what the traders have to say about this. "fast money halftime report" with scott wapner and the crew begins right now. >>> all right, brian and thanks so much. welcome to "halftim
boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no...
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speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the table here and maybe we can start to deal. but right now, i'm in a lot of political pain up here on capitol hill. >> let's get the market context in all of this, with this, a little bit of give and take, eamon, we're seeing the s&p futures up by a third of a percent. at the market highs of the day, prior to when senator reid threw some cold water on hopes that they're inching closer to a deal here. so, in the after hours, it is interpreted as being a positive development in if fiscal cliff negotiations. >> and it was -- >> that's right. >> it was all day
speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the...
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i'll read just one from boehner's press secretary. discussions with the white house are taking place but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. so, of course, that coming from the republican side, the president obviously saying he's waiting for something, too, john. he's waiting for the republicans to identify the specific details of that $800 billion of revenue they're willing to offer. what are the specifics the president is saying? take a listen at something the president said yesterday at that event that you mentioned. >> when you put it all together, you need a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, make tough spending cuts on things we don't need and ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> john, this is essentially the impa
i'll read just one from boehner's press secretary. discussions with the white house are taking place but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. so, of course, that coming from the republican side, the president obviously saying he's waiting...
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i was curious to see john boehner's tone and wasn't try gent. he wasn't saying there's a deal but he wasn't saying, you know, we're nowhere. like he had been saying before. >> when you assert the spth not serious, that is not, hey, we're working on something here. unless you can read in to that something different. >> if you follow the logic saying you're not sere youz because there aren't specific cuts then if there are then it holds that he is being serious then i guess you would think that in the next few days, five, seven, seven, eight days you might see specifics. i think what you are seeing is a pr battle where you say if it doesn't pass, who gets the blame? republicans are the ones people say they blame the most and republicans trying to push back on the message. >> they certainly are doing that but when you look at the optics of it, it's pr and what you say and where you say it matters. you have the backdrop with the president yesterday and the union workers in their own battle and face of middle america and middle class and speaker boeh
i was curious to see john boehner's tone and wasn't try gent. he wasn't saying there's a deal but he wasn't saying, you know, we're nowhere. like he had been saying before. >> when you assert the spth not serious, that is not, hey, we're working on something here. unless you can read in to that something different. >> if you follow the logic saying you're not sere youz because there aren't specific cuts then if there are then it holds that he is being serious then i guess you would...
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boehner on the ninth. different position they vary on revenue as well as the amount of spending cuts. >> i'm not going to comment on internal conversations the president had, meetings the president had, meetings and conversations the -- with the president's -- that the president's team have had. it doesn't help the process. speculation about what was said and spin about what it means does not in my view, or our view, help the process move forward. you know, we hope and remain optimistic about the possibility of an agreement being reached and that is why we are taking the approach we're taking. >> to follow up on what jim and jake were asking, that billion dollar item in the september 19 proposal, that's how off the -- that's now off the table, you said, it's changed a little bit. >> there are some changes to our views on that but it is not -- it does not represent a sizable portion of the overall savings put forward in the proposal and again we're committed to achieving that level of savings. >> $100 billi
boehner on the ninth. different position they vary on revenue as well as the amount of spending cuts. >> i'm not going to comment on internal conversations the president had, meetings the president had, meetings and conversations the -- with the president's -- that the president's team have had. it doesn't help the process. speculation about what was said and spin about what it means does not in my view, or our view, help the process move forward. you know, we hope and remain optimistic...
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boehner offered $800 billion over ten years. the white house wants $1.6 trillion. they have to meet on the numbers somewhere. at this point boehner's office is saying they have refused even to agree to a higher number. >> woodruff: finally, one is hearing some talk that one or the other side may feel it's better to wait until after january 1. >> well i think people are both sides are start of gaming out what happens if we to january. democrats feel that, you know, at that point everything becomes a tax cut because taxes are already up. so we'll be cutting taxes. and republicans maybe feel that, you know, you could see where that might be a good thing for them too. there are big pressures bushing against... pushing against that too. this is a congress that has been fighting over these issues for two years. corker has made this point as well. if we can't do it, we've been over all these issues. now is the time. there's going to be a new congress in january. you have to educate all these new people coming in. in addition to the economy, there are incentives to get it
boehner offered $800 billion over ten years. the white house wants $1.6 trillion. they have to meet on the numbers somewhere. at this point boehner's office is saying they have refused even to agree to a higher number. >> woodruff: finally, one is hearing some talk that one or the other side may feel it's better to wait until after january 1. >> well i think people are both sides are start of gaming out what happens if we to january. democrats feel that, you know, at that point...
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a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants to go over the cliff, because he'll be giving an inaugural address with the country in fiscal shambles. and the president still is the commander in chief, the leader of our country. and if he presides over this, a lot of mud is going to splash up on him too. i think we'll be able to get this deal done, but, again, the devil's in the details. >> tight on time, jason, deal or no deal? >> we're going to get a deal, right at the end of the year, everyone's happy, unemployment will keep coming, and we will not hit the fiscal cliff. >> all right, gentleman, thank you for your insight. we'll see if there'll be a dea
a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants...
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spokesman for house speaker john boehner has announced that the house gop has sent a counteroffer on the fiscal cliff deal to president obama. let's go right to rich edson for more on this breaking story. rich? >> aides say this is an exchange of partial proposals to try to get the ball moving a little bit after some type of impasse over the last few days. this is basically an offer that the house republicans say they have just sent to the white house but there are still major difference ares here. this is from a boehner spokesperson saying the longer the white house slow-walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. there is major business lobbyist out there telling us right now the discussions are focusing on process. how do to it. not necessarily substance. so there are no details on what these offers exactly state. they're not even really getting out on capitol hill right now. so we're still watching it to maintain. again you've got the exchange of partial offers at least coming out of the white house and from house republicans but they still remain fairly f
spokesman for house speaker john boehner has announced that the house gop has sent a counteroffer on the fiscal cliff deal to president obama. let's go right to rich edson for more on this breaking story. rich? >> aides say this is an exchange of partial proposals to try to get the ball moving a little bit after some type of impasse over the last few days. this is basically an offer that the house republicans say they have just sent to the white house but there are still major difference...
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boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from this you go first type of game? >> you know, it's a great question. i do think that we're going to come away with tax hikes for the rich. that's been one of hits key goals, huge issue in the campaign. i think that has to happen. i expect it to happen. that will be a good thing. what i'm hoping is that doesn't mean that republicans will harden around raising the debt ceiling a couple of months from now because that becomes then this continuing game of chicken and that's really what we don't want to see in terms of getting the economy back on track. >> that is the potential nex
boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from...
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boehner handed over his sword. it's clear the republicans with all the desense among them are ready to raise rates. that's probably going to happen. that's really a rubycon they have to do it raising the eligibility age for medicare, changing the cost of living adjustment means testing. they get nothing. they cannot accept higher rates. if they get something from the president, which he is withholding now, i think that will give them a way to at least honorably hand over a sword but walk out still dressed. >> with their trousers? >> yes. >> that is it for a clothed panel. student for some things that make interviews more interesting than others on capitol hill. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is goin
boehner handed over his sword. it's clear the republicans with all the desense among them are ready to raise rates. that's probably going to happen. that's really a rubycon they have to do it raising the eligibility age for medicare, changing the cost of living adjustment means testing. they get nothing. they cannot accept higher rates. if they get something from the president, which he is withholding now, i think that will give them a way to at least honorably hand over a sword but walk out...